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Charlie Brooker and Guardian cowardice
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Blink and you would have missed it. In Saturday's Guardian, Charlie Brooker (created the fabulous tvgohome.com some time ago, produces a few TV shows, writes TV reviews) wrote about Bush's debate in a fairly full-on manner. Nothing you've probably not read already, but he's got a good turn of phrase:

Quite frankly, the man's either wired or mad. If it's the former, he should be flung out of office: tarred, feathered and kicked in the nuts. And if it's the latter, his behaviour goes beyond strange, and heads toward terrifying. He looks like he's listening to something we can't hear. He blinks, he mumbles, he lets a sentence trail off, starts a new one, then reverts back to whatever he was saying in the first place. Each time he recalls a statistic (either from memory or the voice in his head), he flashes us a dumb little smile, like a toddler proudly showing off its first bowel movement. Forgive me for employing the language of the playground, but the man's a tool...

...Throughout the debate, John Kerry, for his part, looks and sounds a bit like a haunted tree. But at least he's not a lying, sniggering, drink-driving, selfish, reckless, ignorant, dangerous, backward, drooling, twitching, blinking, mouse-faced little cheat.

But it was this bit that apparently got up the noses of the Freepers:

On November 2, the entire civilised world will be praying, praying Bush loses. And Sod's law dictates he'll probably win, thereby disproving the existence of God once and for all. The world will endure four more years of idiocy, arrogance and unwarranted bloodshed, with no benevolent deity to watch over and save us. John Wilkes Booth, Lee Harvey Oswald, John Hinckley Jr - where are you now that we need you?

No! He's threatening the President with assassination! And thus begins another of the usual "astroturf" mass email campaigns, the perpetrators of which I'm sure 90% are quite happy with jokes about killing politicians as long as their name is Clinton, and would be appalled to see Ann Coulter's drivel pulled from national newspapers as a result of an email campaign by British lefties.

What did the Guardian do in response to this flood of e-whinging? They pulled the piece. I'm speechless. Well, not quite. Two immediate reactions were:

  1. Spineless cowardly toads, giving in to a bunch of smirking arrogant hypocritical censorious partisan gits who aren't even in the same country and don't buy the paper;

  2. You're making a rod for your own back here. This will happen again and again now. This is what they do. They won't stop. The Guardian, along with the BBC, is a hate figure for the US rightist wingnut brigade, and this will be treated as a victory.

My email of complaint to the Guardian, which makes similar points in a slightly more measured fashion:

I wish to complain about your pulling of the Charlie Brooker piece from the Guardian website, apparently as a result of an campaign by right-wing US net users.

Having read the original I can see no particular reason to remove it - as Mr Brooker says, the section about assassinating the President was clearly a joke, and only the most humourless or blindly partisan reader could take it as otherwise. Such jokes are made constantly in all sorts of media about all sorts of people and it is only the Guardian's high profile on the internet as a source of "leftist" and "anti-American" news that has made it a target in this instance. (Many of the forums and blogs which have led the campaign will have quite happily published jokes about killing President Clinton.)

It is worrying when newspapers seem vulnerable to this kind of organised, politically-motivated intimidation, and you can bet that it will not be the last time that they try this. Such tactics are used continually in the US and giving in to them just encourages their use.

The piece should have remained; adding the comment that now exists on the page concerned would have been perfectly sufficient. For the future of the Guardian as an independent news source, mass political email campaigns of fake grass-roots outrage ("astroturf") should simply be ignored as being what they are - part of a desire to quiet the voice of anyone who disagrees.

If you want to read the full article, incidentally, I've mirrored it here. Please feel free to pass that URL around and mirror it yourself.

Just to clarify here (and this should be obvious if you know me at all, but in case some idiot is reading): while I thought Brooker's piece was quite funny if a little OTT at times, that's not the reason I'm posting this. My position isn't "freedom of speech for people who fit my own prejudices". I don't campaign for Ann Coulter to be prevented from writing, even though I can't stand the woman. Hell, a good 50% of what I read in the papers makes me angry, and the other 50% usually makes me sleepy.


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anyway, why would he be invoking hinckley? hinckley failed.

I guess "Leftie English Scum Advocates Killing Of 2/3 Of The President" wouldn't have made such a freeper headline.

and just think--if they aimed for his head, who'd know the difference?

He wouldn't be able to smirk so much at least.

But did he? Did he really?

See, here in America we have free speach!

Re: Ha-ha

(Anonymous)

2004-10-25 11:31 pm (UTC)

or even free /speech/

Well yes, in a manner of speeking we have that too.

So nonviolent interference with another countries democratic process is okay in Guardianland...

See, here in America we have free speach!

True, at least theoretically, but irrelevant. It is a felony to use that speech to threaten the life of the President, the President-Elect or the Vice-President, with, IIRC, a maximum sentence of five years' imprisonment. So, no. In fact, if you had said the same thing as a United States citizen, you would, if it had come to the attention of the Secret Service, very probably have been interviewed and cautioned.

Speech may be free, but talk is apprently not cheap.

Ironically, many of the same people who have claimed Brooker's piece to be a call to arms are the same kind of people that whooped and pumped their fists when Bush carpet bombed Afghanistan and Iraq.

Is it really so wrong to back a point of view that sarcastically implies that a hypothetical scenario involving an assassin might be useful to remove a president?

Or maybe it's better to back a president who actually (note: not hypothetically) condones the use of sketchily aimed weapons which may or may not kill their target, and similarly may or may not murder scores of innocents in the same instance?

All the facts that are relevant here: Brooker - not a Bush fan. The piece was in a TV column for christ's sake. Not exactly the best place to air a rallying cry to have someone offed.

(On the contrary, it seems the best way to go about it is to half-whisper it to someone and then let them misinterpret and misquote it to their heart's content in a blog...)

As an American in Japan, I was rather enjoying Charlie Booker's article until the last line. Pres. Bush II disturbs me beyond words so my complaints are not because I like the man or his party. Only after reading up on Booker today, did I find out that he is supposed to be a funny guy in his little bit of the world and that the Guardian ran his article in some none-news section. When you are 30,000 miles away, the article just looked like news and I didn't get the ironic funny part at all.

My initial thoughts were as follows:
1 - If Pres. Bush deserves execution for his failings as a man and leader, what does Kim Jong Ill deserve? Flaying alive and malicious amputation? Why isn't KJI being written about? Pres. Bush needs to go brutal dictator school for some lessons to get into KJI's league.
2 - Okay, let's say Pres. Bush was dead, that gives us Pres. Cheney, a much scarier situation.
3 - Dude, if Pres. Bush was killed (or even just simply threatened), what hellish solution would America launch next? We would, as a country, go completely postal.
4 - Yeah, most people are completely sane. The article was put out on the internet which means "X" billion of people potentially can stumble across the article like I did. While I really like most people and think all the best about humanity, I am certain that a small number of us are completely nuts and have been moved by far less.

The article was completely inappropriate for a global audience and probably even inappropriate for a local one too.

P.S. Just voted for Kerry before you accuse me of being some rabid Republican...

Question is, what context did you read the piece in? Would it have been the same context as if you'd come across it "naturally" i.e. as part of the Guardian's usual outlet?

that's output, not outlet, dammit

I came across the link to the article either through Google News or Drudge Report (can't remember which) and had no frame of reference going into it. I really didn't know much about the Guardian before this and knew zero about Charlie Brooker and his shtick. I never surf directly to newspaper websites like the Guardian because there is so much crap about weekend events, local crime, etc. You have to filter too much to find the real world news with relevance to life in Japan.

Signed, Voted for Kerry (a.k.a not a rabid Republican)

Fair enough - I was just wondering.

I'm mirroring the article for anyone who wants to read it, regardless of what they think of it. I'd just rather not see half-truths spread about what was actually there before it was pulled.

I doubt it seriously!

(Anonymous)

2004-10-26 06:49 am (UTC)

Contrary to popular LIB belief..Bush is respected by a sizeable portion of Britain's population...and I am sure these people were apalled at the arrogant and immoral blather of this Brooker character. I am certain that we weren't the only ones bitching to the Guardian's staff.

In any event I have fired off a copy of the original article along with a letter to the Secret Service. I hope that your friend, Brooker, has fun.




Re: I doubt it seriously!

[info]fridgemagnet

2004-10-26 06:21 pm (UTC)

Well, no, he's not really, practically everyone in the UK thinks he's at best a bit of a clown.

Re: I doubt it seriously!

(Anonymous)

2005-03-03 04:54 pm (UTC)

Pillock.

Oh, for fuck's sake.

In Britain, we have this thing called humour. This means that when a fellow writes something similar to Brooker's, we regard it as what it is - a joke. You know about jokes? They're those things you sometimes see people telling, which cause other peoples' lips to turn up at the corners in a funny sort of a way. Yes, I know that's always confused you. I know that, previous to this point, you always thought it was because they wanted fresh meat, ore perhaps were about to embark on some kind of heathen sex ritual. Jokes. You may have seen them on television, on some of those comedy programmes you do: you know, SATC, Will and Grace, er...okay yeah, forget I said that. Obviously you wouldn't watch programmes consisting of such naked harlotry and inducement to the young to sodomise each other. The point is: it was a joke. And whether it was in good taste or poor taste is irrelevant, because humour knows no bounds of taste. I mean, y'know, you should hear some of the jokes the guys at the docks tell about your mother...*

But if you want to get serious for a moment then, okay, let's. What I find quite insulting is that (a) you Republican gimps are demanding that Charlie Brooker - a television critic - apologise for writing one little article with a joke 'threat' to a President who fraudulently claimed power and has started a war on false pretences at the end, but (b) none of you has ever apologised for your use of most of the US judicial system and media to continually hound the previous incumbent over allegations that he got a blow job from an intern. That's where I have a sense of humour failure, bubba.

* Yes, that's a joke, too. I've never met your mother.**

**I can't vouch for the guys at the docks, though.

What's the fuss? Surely it's OK now?

(Anonymous)

2004-10-26 11:49 am (UTC)

The prohibition on assassinating heads of state comes from the Geneva Convention. Now I seem to recall that Mr Bush ordered explicit attempts on Saddam Hussein's life, both allegedly using assassins and more directly using - er - "precision" bombing of the odd palace. And Saddam was at the time a serving head of state - even Bush acknowledged that.

So since Mr Bush has chosen to opt out of this particular protection, surely it follows that it's quite legal for him to be assassinated? So what's the fuss about?

A few points....

(Anonymous)

2004-12-27 09:03 pm (UTC)

Even though I voted for Bush the fist time around but voted for Kerry in the last election I would like to point out that Bush did not fraudulently claim power in the 2000 election. Yes, he lost the popular vote but he won the electoral vote. This is the only valid method of winning the presidency in the United States. The 2000 election was the third time in the history of the United States that such an event had occurred if I recall correctly.

Also, Clinton was not hounded about getting a blow job from an intern. He was hounded because he committed perjury in a civil sexual harassment trial when the plaintiff's attorney was attempting to establish a pattern of behavior (which included having underlings perform oral sex on him). Establishing a pattern of behavior is critical when accusing someone of sexual harassment, and any details pertaining to that behavior are therefor considered material facts. Clinton as an attorney knew this, and knowingly mislead the court and committed perjury. However, his PR team did a wonderful job of making people believe that it was about the blow job and not the perjury. I mean seriously, what man would have a problem with another guy getting or trying to get a blow job???

When the US went to war with Iraq every major intelligence agency in the world was saying the same thing - Iraq had WMD's, but there was a difference of opinion on how to go about getting Saddam to disarm. Making a decision based upon information that you do not know is wrong until after the fact is not doing something under false pretenses.

Lastly, one vital aspect of humor is context. If you do not know the context in which something is being said it can easily be taken the wrong way. This is especially true of sarcastic or satirical commentary in print media where there are no visual clues to allow the viewer to know that something is not to be taken seriously. An article being posted on the Internet that is intended to be humorous or satirical needs to have some indication that it is not intended to be serious commentary or misunderstandings such as this one occur.

Personally, I find any humor or joking about causing harm to another disgusting and thought his comment was in extremely poor taste, but I wouldn't ever try to take away his right to say what he believes.

Re: A few points....

(Anonymous)

2005-03-03 11:53 am (UTC)

Just to reply to the claim that every intelligence agency in the world etc., the CIA didn't think he did, the UN didn't and neither did the British intelligence services. Also, clearly neither the French or Germans saw this threat. To elaborate, the CIA information used by Powell was cherry-picked much in the manner of Rumsfeld's Group B in the 70s; and the British dossier, as the Hutton report showed, was modified several times to make what amounted to false claims about Saddam's capabilities, Robin Cook resigned over this very issue. Further to this, Scott Ritter and Hans Blix expressed differing degrees of resistance to the claims coming from the US administration.

Cheers for the mirror

(Anonymous)

2004-10-26 10:17 am (UTC)

Was appalled to see the Guardian took this down. Thanks for mirroring it. Found a link to the article on rabidnation.com and then had to use google to find your mirror. Have just added you to NewsNow.co.uk, hope you don't mind.

Barry de la Rosa
baz*NewsNow.co.uk

A very measured response, and good to see someone brave enough to run the risk...

I was speaking to a friend who works at the Guardian yesterday who alerted me to all the hoo-ha over this - I remember reading the Guide column, thinking 'hmm, that's maybe a bit strong' and thinking nothing more of it. Having spent 30 minutes looking through the freerepublic comments, I was depressed by the disproportionality and gung-ho bandwagon-riding of it all.

The Guardian, when considering all this, needs to define what it means by 'readers' when addressing complaints. Is it as legitimate to complain about the article having read it in the original form in the Guide (for those not familiar, a free listings booklet, quite separate from the editorial main section of the newspaper, which the briefest of associations with would have made obvious the section's irreverent humour) and to complain having been directed to the website with the intention of making oneself irate? It's hard to consider the same quality of offence caused when you've been prepared, predisposed and actively sought out that offence.

There's a second, lesser issue that the Guardian will want to address, about the need to differentiate comment and news/editorial on its website, which isn't the fault of the writer, and doesn't negate the above point.

It shouldn't need stating, but here goes: No-one (that's NO-ONE) seriously suggested Bush should be assassinated, and no reasonable reader would have inferred this from Brooker's article. This is therefore a fuss about mildly bad taste, and the Guardian is foolish to allow itself to be cowed into a retraction. An apology, fine, but the removal allows the Freepers to trumpet this as another victory against the leftist media, and will encourage them to do so again and again, against anything published in the Guardian. Will, say, the Guardian's coverage of Palestine suffer if the precedent is set and pro-Israeli netizens conduct a similar campaign?

Re: Well done!

(Anonymous)

2004-11-01 09:28 pm (UTC)

I absolutely agree, although your argument breaks down in one key place. By invoking the "reasonable reader", you immediately eliminate the vast majority of Bush's supporters and, presumably, the wankers who complained about the article in the first place.

I find it impossible to believe that anyone with a shred of independent judgement and good sense (besides the uber-gazillionaires, otherwise known as Bush's base) would support those evil bastards.

But we have to understand. The Republicans have been a little sensitive about macabre humor ever since voters elected a dead man over their boy Ashcroft.


I saw a guy at the Comedy Store say, "The greatest tragedy of the year was the Thatcher assassination- it didn't happen." At the time no one was particularly shocked, but with hindsight I see that we should have hurled chairs at the stage.

Harry Hutton
http://chasemeladies.blogspot.com

Dudes

(Anonymous)

2004-10-27 01:33 pm (UTC)

Like, you need to remember that Brooker is also the author of such gems as Dude I Barfed Up Your Ass... see the tvgohome cite mentioned above. The guy was going for shock effect, and I'd say he was pretty effective!
The part where he lost me a little was when he said "with no benevolent deity to watch over us"... The thing is, I think that the desire for a benevolent deity is what got Bush elected in the first place. Americans are looking for a shelter from their pain (of Sept 11). Who said this wasn't a religious war?...

Might like to point out this blog post:

http://timblair.spleenville.com/archives/004502.php

"IS IT TIME TO ASSASSINATE THE EDITOR OF THE GUARDIAN?"

Curious lack of publicity about it. Must be liberal bias, or something.

thanks, Fridge...

(Anonymous)

2004-10-29 02:50 am (UTC)

Appreciate your putting up the mirror of the Brooker piece...didn't know my link was dead until I read it here. I've linked to yours instead if that's ok...

best,
David/rabidnation.com

No problem, that's what it's there for.

Re: thanks, Fridge...

(Anonymous)

2004-10-29 03:48 am (UTC)

I also am glad you mirrored the Brooker piece, which I found brilliant. I was talking to a friend of mine about the whole assassination thing... and we decided that assassinating Bush would be the worst thing that could possibly happen.
Why?
Because then he'll be canonized.
We'll have the two week long funeral... commemorative magazines... new trinkets every two weeks from the fucking Franklin Mint with his goofy droolbucket smile embossed in goldleaf on another country's coinage... ad infinitum.
Then, the conspiracy theories will begin to circulate, and I will be forced to drink muriatic acid just to get away from the sheer madness of it all.
It was funny. Brooker's a funny guy.
But God help us all if Bush were to be murdered. We just want him to go away, go back to Texas or Maine or wherever...not become a martyr.

Re: thanks, Fridge...

(Anonymous)

2005-02-24 12:46 pm (UTC)

No you're right, it'd be much better if he killed himself in a drink-driving related accident....

Brooker

(Anonymous)

2004-10-29 10:39 pm (UTC)

Brookers column is the funniest writing of the week. I would suggest that his column is the differentiator that I use to purchase a sturday paperand that anyone who doesnt get it should be ...... er ..... made to watch the 'freindly chanel' - anyone remember the flash mob of freindly TV on sky?
Genius, everything he writes is prety much how it is. Remember Bush has killed more americans during peace time than any other governor. Bush cheated his way into power by disallowing or rigging or simply not recognising a lot of the black votes in Florida. This in itself is surely reason enough to validate an assasins bullet. (just a joke) I thought the american constitution had rules about this sort of deceit and corruption. Maybe if those that voiced their opinion re Mr Brooker had aired their concerns for the constitution, justice and democracy in the first place CB would have written about something else.
Charlie Brooker for president


Charlie Brooker and Guardian cowardice

(Anonymous)

2004-11-01 06:24 pm (UTC)

What's news is that the Guardian site was taken down until they removed the offending article. Which apart from the last sentence was fair comment.

Would Also Write

(Anonymous)

2004-11-02 08:22 am (UTC)

I would also write to the Guardian and protest the removal, but I don't see an address and I've scoured the site for a while. Thank you for the mirror.

The complaints address is reader@guardian.co.uk

good_On_ya

(Anonymous)

2004-11-02 12:43 pm (UTC)

Thanks again for mirroring this. Reading the Guardian on line I saw was the apology. Searched high and low on G site but the article was nowhere to found. Finally located it on your mirror via Google.
Guardians' cowardice is deplorable.

The article was (to anyone with a grain of intelligence) tongue in cheek but points it makes are perfectly valid. No one seriously suggested assassinating the Murderer in Chief.

3000 people killed in New York were civilian and it was a horrendous crime!.

But please remember also, that subsequent to this:-
There are estimated ~10,000 civilian people killed in Afghanistan
There are estimated ~100,000 civilian people killed in Iraq according to latest estimates in:
http://www.thelancet.com/journal/vol364/iss9445/early_online_publication

This is quite some revenge against innocent civilians who, had nothing to do with what happened in New York that September day, couldn't have cared less about Bush, New York or Bin Laden et al.

Americans need to understand that they are not unique in feeling pain. Much of the rest of the feels such pain daily, and it is often caused by US foreign policy!

Re: good_On_ya

(Anonymous)

2004-11-04 03:42 am (UTC)

Agreed and understood and, believe me, as lame as it sounds, I'm sorry.
Please don't confuse the American people with their leader. When Kerry conceded today, I sat in my office and cried, because I knew this country would be in the grasp of a madman for four more years and that the world at large would never forgive us for keeping him in office.
I'm really sorry. A lot of us are embarrassed, even if we never admit it publicly.
We, the people, never meant any harm.
But, we, the people, cannot for certain say the same about our "elected" leader.

God spoke from a Burning Bush

(Anonymous)

2005-09-30 07:44 pm (UTC)

If they get upset over that, pray they don't get to to hear of the Chris Morris (Charlie Brookers some time collabarator) Brasseye Paedophile comedy special or the dangerous drug 'cake'.

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