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Jul. 26th, 2008 | 09:42 pm

...reading a load of people arguing on the internet about how UFC/MMA is more "real" than boxing, or how UFC is just "human cock-fighting", then reading various people talking about how martial art/training X is better than Y... really, it's all just "Bruce Lee could totally have beaten up Chuck Norris" or "Bluestreak could kick Shockwave's ass dude"* isn't it?

Boxing isn't "real", UFC isn't "real". Staged fights just aren't real, they never will be. I suppose perhaps if there was a combat sport where you could try to smuggle a knife in or get your mates to break your opponent's legs before the fight that would be approaching "real". Or get knocked out, at which point the cops come in and pepper-spray your attacker, who then gets banged up for GBH. Or entirely avoid getting into a fight at all and instead sort your life out and end up happy, healthy and successful. PERFECT ROUND!

* I am prepared for the fact that more than one reader may well have an opinion as to whether Bluestreak could kick Shockwave's ass or not here, also that the answer is "no".

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Real

from: anonymous
date: Jul. 27th, 2008 10:46 am (UTC)
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Is anything done for "entertainment" real?

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fridgemagnet

Re: Real

from: fridgemagnet
date: Jul. 27th, 2008 11:05 am (UTC)
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Not really. Ho ho.

Most things don't claim to be "real" though; "realistic" maybe, but that implies that whatever it is has been deliberately staged to look as close to life as possible, and no sport ever wants to be branded with that tag.

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danalcapone

Re: Real

from: danalcapone
date: Jul. 27th, 2008 11:50 am (UTC)
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There is a actually a smallish "reality based" martial arts community in this country. Can furnish you some links if you wish. I eventually got borrowed of reading about it, though, when I realised and wasn't ever going to get round to training in it, and I was quite happy with the training I'm doing, even if I'm not trained for StREET DESTRUCKTIONNNNS.

I do rate MMA fighters as athletes though, really fit, tough guys, doing an amazingly difficult sport, but the internet arguments about martial arts effectiveness etc make me want to end my own life. They always remind me of the worst excess of the Temple on Barbelith.

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fridgemagnet

Re: Real

from: fridgemagnet
date: Jul. 27th, 2008 03:27 pm (UTC)
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Oh, yes, certainly, I mean the sport itself isn't "fake" or anything.

I've seen a few "reality martial arts" type courses and groups. They seem to range from pretty sensible people teaching general awareness and fitness and techniques taken from a bunch of different styles, to nasty little cliques who concentrate on power strikes and whose members seem to love to hit each other very hard in the face while sparring and then boast about it on the internet. (Or, pretend they have, then boast about it on the internet.)

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danalcapone

Re: Real

from: danalcapone
date: Jul. 27th, 2008 06:50 pm (UTC)
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Most of the web stuff I've read about this has been mostly pretty sensible, more so than MMA boards (or at least, not any worse than the rest of the internet). But it is a bit odd, being concerned with "real violence". I do wonder why people are like that, and if it's an extension of wanting to be hard...I'm sure it is for some, isn't for others, though it does seems logically if you are really want to be sure you can protect yourself.

I do wonder why people want this certainty i.e. why train for what is probably a pretty low probability (unless you are a cop, bouncer etc).

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fridgemagnet

Re: Real

from: fridgemagnet
date: Jul. 27th, 2008 08:52 pm (UTC)
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I don't know, from the people I've seen posting there seem to be three main categories...

1. Professionals, the cops and bouncers and so on, who are either the instructors in the first place or taking it all quite calmly.

2. People who feel vulnerable and want to feel more confident walking home at night, even if intellectually they know they're not that much in danger - feeling that they'd know what to do if it ever happened makes them feel safer. Sometimes they've been attacked or nearly attacked or threatened or followed. Usually quite straightforward about it and know what they're there for.

3. People with violent Falling Down type fantasies about urban revenge - feel vulnerable but also aggressive. Almost entirely male. Probably quite a good thing if they join a decent class which doesn't encourage stupid behaviour and reactions, but there are some schools which encourage that sort of attitude it seems - you can see the adverts around sometimes.

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Re: Real

from: anonymous
date: Jul. 28th, 2008 08:29 pm (UTC)
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You missed out 4. Wankers who just want to push people around, and will put up with a certain amount of being pushed around to learn the skills. Many of 1. fall into this category.

I tried to call you a couple of weeks ago because I had some free tickets to cage rage and thought you might be interested in your detached way. Ended up losing them and not going but caught it on TV. Was televised on Nuts TV and was pretty shit if truth be told.

I box because it keeps me fit and interested in getting fitter. On the one hand I've never viewed it as a combat martial art (I'd go for Gracie Jujitsu or Krav Maga or something else beloved of fight nerds), but I'd be lying if I said there was no deep rooted fantasy about Rocky/Street Fighter shenanigans. Developing physically and suddenly being able to do cool stuff is intensely satisfying.

GRRC

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fridgemagnet

Re: Real

from: fridgemagnet
date: Aug. 4th, 2008 08:45 pm (UTC)
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I'd definitely go along to see some, though I'm not sure that it's really my sport in general - even on TV there seems to be a lot too much "groundwork" i.e. "two blokes squabbling on the floor", which isn't all that interesting to watch in my opinion, even in close-up.

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